California Supreme Court Upheld Proposition 8

I heard and I'm thrilled!

Good for them.

Yes let's all be thrilled for bigotry.

Why is it bigotry?

see bigotry

I have to say I agree with this, most states when faced with a question about the constitution and rewriting the constitution most people stand with the constitution.

This is not speaking out against  people who wish to have a same sex union, its about not wanting to change the constitution as our forefathers meant it to be.

Mooch

I am disappointed in California.

And to the people that continue to support hatred and discrimination you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Hatred has nothing to do with it.  This is about morality and saving our country.

Discrimination?  Yes, but this is GOOD discrimination.

"This is about morality and saving our country."

Spoken like the Taliban

How's that, Peter?  Since when is the Taliban interested in saving the United States of America?  Am I missing out on something?

As we lower our moral standards, that just gives the terrorists more incentive to attack us.  Perhaps I speak like the Taliban in that regard, but that wasn't my intent.

shame on you California !

Not shame on California, but shame on the California Supreme Court for making us have to go through this.  They should have never created the right to have same-gender marriage in the first place.  But, now they seem to have reconciled their misdeed somewhat.

Their ruling is the correct one this time.

It barely passed in the first place.  So it will be re-voted as soon as a few more nasty homophobic bigots drop dead from old age, and it will be reversed by a democratic vote.  In my lifetime there will be equal rights for gays all over America.

Shame on the courts, in the meantime.  It is their traditional job to protect minorities from the tyranny of the majority.

Yep, it very well could have been the "homophobic bigots" that created enough votes to exceed 50%.  But, it was still quite shy of the two-thirds majority that should have been legally required to establish the right to homosexual marriage in the first place.
Yes, shame on the California Supreme Court for bypassing the electorate and creating this mess.  But, at least they seem to have made amends to some extent.

I hope the court is right but I have my doubts.

THE PEOPLE VOTED!!! Isn't that the important part....that all of us still have a say?  Each state can decide for themselves what each state wants. Overturning prop 8 would show that it didn't matter what the people want and voted for, so why even bother voting.

I'm sorry, just because the people voted doesn't make it right.

If everyone voted to bring back slavery. . . would that be right?

If everyone voted that husbands had the right to sell their daughters and wives. . . would that be right?

The moral majority isn't always moral.

Isn't that what this country is based on?  The vote of the people?

You just put the moral in to it Heather. A lot of people believe that marriage is only between a man and a woman.

Marriage is not a right.

Then what if people voted that heterosexual marriage is banned? What if you could not spend the rest of your life with the one you loved?

So Carol?  Our system is also supposed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.

I repeat, if the above things I mentioned were voted in, would you support it simply because the "people willed it?"  Lots of people think that slavery was an okay thing.   Segregation too, what about if interracial marriages were banned?

What right do any of us have to dictate what two consenting adults do in their bedroom?

Heather, the issue is not really about the majority removing the rights of a minority group.  The issue is upholding a fundamental principle of morality.

There is nothing wrong making it illegal to do something that is essentially wrong to begin with.

Who says it is essentially wrong to begin with?

The Bible? Again. .. Not everyone believes in the outdated book of fairy tales.

morals are not defined by the Bible for everyone.

the reason they upheld it because they are allowed unions and given the same benefits of  marriage.  So why can't it be called a 'union' and everyone will be happy they can have a union heterosexuals have marriage, everyone gets the same benefits......Those married, are allowed to stay married.....I have no problems with this......

Mooch

"outdated book of fairy tales." shows you have no respect for any one else's beliefs. I find that completely offensive.

And I find it completely offensive that so many people think that every person in this country is Christian and therefore, should run their life according to the book of that religion.

I don't show respect because this whole ordeal is a giant lack of respect for basic human emotions of love, simply because a religion, a religion which many people DO NOT believe in, say that it is wrong.

Mooch:
Then fine, call all marriages unions, including heterosexuals.   So now you must refer to your husband as "My domestic partner" or your "special friend".

No more marriage anniversary, let's all have union anniversaries.

You're the one that brought up religion. I never mentioned it. And by the way, the Christian religion isn't the only only that believes in the sanctity of marriage....I know the Jewish religion does....I know the Hindu religion does.

Obviously from your responses you are bigotted, which I find just as bad as what you are accusing other of.

The whole "marriage is between a man and a woman" argument is sanctioned by Christian orgnizations.  I have yet to see a Jewish or Hindu organization come out with that statement.

And, Hindu religion does have sects which DO honor homosexuals and homosexuality, as well as transexuals.

why should anyone have to be singled out?  You are OK with union as opposed to marriage?  Ridiculous.

Why is it YOUR religion is found in OUR government?

I am sick and tired of religious groups stepping all over the Constitution and Bill of Rights under the hateful guise of protecting the people.

Frankly we all need to be saved from the religions and their mass delusions.

 Hey Lori, all your favorite elitists are saying that "even hillbilly Iowa allows gay marriage!" LOL That's funny.

Thanks for sharing!

Shame! Yes, remember that the majority is not always right. In the end gays will win.

No, in the end the homosexuals will LOSE.  Unfortunately, they just might win a legal victory.  But unless they change their lifestyle, they will all be condemned for all eternity.  And that's even more unfortunate.

That's not my wish, just reality.

Edward is just another idiot Christian that believes in fairytales. Hey Eddy, the bible isn't real, it's been proven wrong by science a long time ago. Homosexuality is not a sin. Get over it.

Edward,

Which scares you more, the risk that your own wife/ partner will "get the Gay", or that you, yourself will have to admit your closeted feelings for those of your own sex?  Hate to break it to ya, buddy, but the moral majority is neither.

Excuse me, Isaiah?  The Bible CANNOT be disproved, as it IS the truth.  Science never has, and never will, disprove something that is true.

Fairytales have nothing to do with it.

Incidentally, homosexual marriage is not wrong for religious reasons.  Rather, legitimate religions are opposed to it because it is wrong.  This is an important principle and supersedes all established religion.

Btw, my statement about eternal condemnation is from religion and, as such, does not rise to that same level. (Just though that I'd point that out.)

I agree. I think that gays have the right to be attached. They can have a union  But marriage is between one man and one woman

Who says? The Bible?   Little known fact:  Not everyone subscribes to that book.

This country is a SECULAR country, not a theocracy.

The'oc´ra'sy

Technically, we aren't a secular country either....read any of the constitutions of any of our 50 states.

"God" is a job title, not a name.  I refer to my Gods, as God.  I don't worship the Christian God.  Don't assume that all people interpret God as to mean Christianity.

This is what bugs me (among other things) about this issue.   If Christians don't want Gays to marry in their church <b>fine</b>.  That doesn't mean other religions won't marry them.

"Church" is not exclusive to Christianity.

CA boo to you!

The California Supreme Court has created an inequity by abolishing Proposition 8 for homosexual couples already married, but upholding it for all others.

Nonetheless, the ruling makes sense to me.  I agree with it.

Interesting, though, I heard someone compare this to the end of slavery.  There was no "grandfather clause" that allowed those who already owned slaves to continue owning them.  But, that was the United States Constitution, not a state constitution - quite different.

  I don't hate gays but think California made a good call. Gays are not excluded from any right that I enjoy so Prop 8 is a reasonable law by the people for the people.

Anyone with half a brain knows that Prop 8 failed due to the BS propaganda spewed by the religious right, as well as the heavy handed Mormon contingent. To say it passed fair and square is just plain inaccurate.

I say liberty and justice for all . Many of you make an exception when it comes to gays.

Gays are sinners? You need to read all of Leviticus!

Jeff, gays are excluded from countless rights that you have: the right to serve openly in the military, the right not to be fired because of sexual orientation, the right to visit one's life partner in an intensive care unit, rights of property ownership, right to freedom from fear of property and and bodily harm by queer bashers, rights to some benefits after the death of a spouse, right to adopt and on and on. A major ritght gays do not have that straights have is to live freeof fear from the harm those of other sexual orientation inflict on them.

Yeah! WWJD?  Supporting injustice and hatred, using misinformation, lack of understanding, wrongly judging others, attacking a misunderstood minority, condemning on the basis of Leviticus in the Old Testament (OLD), advancing the blindless tyranny of the majority

I have a news flash for all of you. Regardless of who, what, where, when or why.... Who wins in the end?  God does and I sincerely hope that it will not come as a huge surprise to some? If so, someone's in big trouble... lol...

For, after all, put it as we may to ourselves, we are all of us from birth to death guests at a table which we did not spread.  The sun, the earth, love, friends, our very breath are parts of the banquet.... Shall we think of the day as a chance to come nearer to our Host, and to find out something of Him who has fed us so long?  ~Rebecca Harding Davis