Neo Nazi White supremacists, members of The National Socialist Movement, marched in Los Angeles today against Illegal Immigration. Group members said Los Angeles was chosen for the rally because of the large immigrant population in the city. It wouldnt take long before police were dealing with fights between the supremacists and counter protesters. During the Rally it was announced that The National Socialist Movement would be backing politicians that shared their beliefs. When a speaker for the group took the podium, group members raised their arms in Nazi salute and shouted "Seig Heil", but as much as they shouted, counter protesters raised their voices high above that of the Nazi group. During the rally, fights ensued, objects were thrown, and people from both sides were arrested.
To me, much like Westboro Baptist and their hateful protests I have written about, I fail to understand the hate. I understand wanting people to be Naturalized Citizens of the Untied States if they are going to work here and take advantage of what this country has to offer, but spreading hate and acting like Nazis isnt helping already strained race relations. The only thing it is doing is seeming to put targets on them and nothing else.
Heres the Video of a portion of today's square off from Youtube.
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Comments: 54
From where?
I mean Dubya ran down to Mexico right after he was elected and said send more cheap labor. . .
Now all the former Republicans now called tea bag partiers or Ron Paul libertarians. Blame it all on President Obama.
Visionaerie,
One does not achieve citizenship by . . . arriving here.
nor by becoming a legal resident,
It takes years and a test, not only on the U. S. Constitution, but the ability to speak and read and understand English.
Obama beats Bush on deportations.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/07/
obama-beats-bush-on-deportations/
You are libertarian. The goal of Libertarians is
No minimum wage
No worker safety rules
No unions
Unlimited immigration.
Now think, come on it doesn't hurt.
There might be plenty, but. . . . the ones pushing you. They intend to keep 99.9% of it at the top.
As for the racists.
How good that they are challenged.
You lost me from the very beginning, when instead of answering my very simple and specific question (okay, two questions), you opted to make an overcaffeinated and erroneous assumption about me... and assumption which flags the rest of your nonsense as pure drivel.
To clarify: I haven't joined the tea party, and there's no reason for you to come at me that way. I'm simply trying to keep an open mind about things and find out more. When you're ready to try opening your mind a little, feel free to come back and try actually answering the question I asked.
Thank you.
Not unless it answers the question of who on the TEA party side willingly identified the TEA party with the NEO-NAZI rally. My problem here, and the reason I even bothered piping up and asking, is that I'm considering the issue at hand mostly on the merits of Bryan's material. Unless I missed something there, he didn't present anything suggesting that the TEA party was involved. This made me curious enough to ask Tony the questions I've asked. On the face of it, he seems to be making some odd assumptions.
That is partially why I rejected your original argument; you're pulling a lot of things (also apparent assumptions) into this discussion that are not at first glance, or even second glance, relevant to the material Bryan has presented.
I am open to being informed about the relation Tony is suggesting, but not on the merits of any series of mere assumptions either of you choose to make.
I also invite you to read a small article I wrote about some of what the TEA party is doing. This is what I take to be the core of their effort, just so you know where I'm coming from here.
I visited the early tea bag party websites. . . yes, lots of racism.
They began cleaning up their signs and rhetoric late 2009 for some, some didn't clean up their websites until after the incident at the at the anti-health care demonstration.
Those are the facts.
Link to what? Better have proof? I've got nothing to prove here, I just asked a couple of questions. lol
But, WC, since you're so big on links, how about providing a few yourself? For someone so quick to demand proof, you certainly aren't all that forthcoming with any yourself. My logic isn't at all circular until you actually establish the things that so far you only appear to be assuming, starting with Tony's assertion that the Tea Party has voluntarily consummated some relation with the Neo-Nazi movement.
Is that the same hackneyed bull I see coming from the people who attack "Faux News" all the time and continually rejecting anything they happen to be reporting? If you can think they're biased, why can't I think other news outlets are just as biased?
To clarify my personal position, I try to corroborate things with more than one news source when I can. Usually, no single source is going to give you the entire story, whether the source happens to be Fox, MSNBC, CNN, the AP, or whatever.
I'm not disputing anything... I simply asked Tony who was inviting the Neo-Nazis to the Tea Party, and I'm waiting on an answer. You say it's Ron Paul. Okay, fine, but you make a pretty weak case if you expect me to just magically accept that based off one news story from 2007 which states he took some money from the Stormfront group.
One story about one politician accepting contributions from a racist group. Are you saying that constitutes an invitation by an entire movement? That's weak, WC. Very weak.
No you wouldn't. You'd only have to realize that (1)most of the mainstream news sources get their material from the AP anyway, and (2) most anyone reporting anything these days is bound to report in more of an editorial fashion than anything, which practice usually slants the report according to the biases of the reporter. Some will slant right, some will slant left, or whatever. That's not a conspiracy, it's human nature, whether you want to accept it or not.
I'm not purposely clouding anything. I'm simply requiring from you the same thing that you claim you're requiring from anyone else -- actual reliable evidence instead of a thin string of assumptions. You demand of others that they support their views with evidence. So start supporting your own.
Now, if you want the true definition of gullible and stupid it would be someone who expects me to believe that a report from one news source is sufficient to make the series of assumptions that you've been making.
Pretty hypocritical remark, coming from someone who was just demanding that I support my views with proof. If you can't even live up to your own demands, then quit making them of others.
The keep immigrants out can't be wrong because it is the law. We torture people illegally. We start wars. We break laws and treaties when it suits our needs.
Never let the facts spoil a good rumor.
I don't think Tony B is anti-immigrant.
BTW - The Westboro idjits live primarily on money they make by demanding payment of THEIR legal fees by people who take them to court to try to stop them. Since the eldest daughter is the lawyer, and her "fees" are within the legal standards as determined by the courts, they pick up as much as $50,000.00 every time someone hauls 'em into court. The old man may believe his hatred, but the rest of 'em are just in it for the money.
Okay, if not the curbstomping, what if they're empowered to disperse the offenders instead of just standing there and letting them offend?
WC -- that actually sounds like a halfway fitting salute. In these cases, though, I don't think a volley of three is going to be enough.
Perhaps, but I like to keep an open mind.