Vaccines vs. autism is back in the news.
Bill Gates is an angry philanthropist. Arguably the richest man in America and thereby the most philanthropic, he sat down on CNN with Dr. Sanjay Gupta the other day.
In response to a question from Dr. Gupta about the constant drumbeat of claims that vaccines are dangerous, Mr. Gates said, "It's an absolute lie that has killed thousands of kids. The mothers who heard that lie, many of them didn't have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their children are dead today."
Bill Gates is angry because, he recently pledged $10 billion to distribute polio vaccines worldwide, and because somehow the nonsense that MMR vaccine causes autism has flared again, itÂ’s now attacking ALL vaccines, including polio vaccine.
To listen to the anti-vaccine people, polio vaccine causes polio and induces paralysis; flu vaccine causes flu, and children die, become blind or are left in vegetative states because of them and any and all other vaccines. Even worse, they would have people believe that vaccines are a plot to enrich their manufacturers at the expense of childrenÂ’s lives.
The Huffington Post the other day hosted a blog by reporter and writer David Kirby who wrote a book that supported the idea that MMR creates autism in children. Now, in the wake of debunking the “study” which started that belief, he uses rhetorical deception to promote the idea that vaccines create autism while pretending to say they might not.
People thought this was over when Alex Wakefield lost his medical license and The British Medical Journal recanted the publication of his article that started this nonsense. But it’s not, and it needs to be, because Bill Gates is right, just as they did before vaccines were developed, children are dying of these much-ridiculed “childhood diseases.” So now, he must fight not only the diseases, but also the irrationality of scientific drivel promoted by the press, because people already believe it.
Christian Nordqvist, Editor-in-Chief and CEO of the Medical News Today, wrote an article in that respected medical news publication titled “The Tragedy Of The Fraudulent MMR Autism Link, A Personal Story” about his journey through the Wakefield mess with his son who has Asperger’s Syndrome.
At the end of the article he notes that billions of dollars have likely been diverted from autism research, because the people who might give or control the giving of money “…might have been distracted by these false findings…”
In the face of all these, Bill Gates is still out there, trying to save children from the horrors of polio, while the press gives equal time to people who convince mothers to risk their kidsÂ’ lives by not vaccinating them.
Bill Gates is an angry philanthropist… with good reason. People are killing the kids he’s trying to save.
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PLEASE VACCINATE YOUR CHILDREN!
I would like to see Bill Gates Medical degree before he goes spouting off about something he is NOT medically qualified to spout off about.
My kids ARE vaccinated, however, I have to wonder if their problems were compounded by the vaccines!
"Bill Gates' medical degree is his money."
You're kinda loaded, through inheritance, aren't you, Chuck?
"Sorry about your kids (really, I am), but no vaccine caused it"
You seem to have a "medical degree" too ; )
I have no medical degree, but I have a lot more medical knowledge than any of you.
@Mooch: Wakefield was a fraud, and the most terrible thing he did was to load you with guilt for doing the best thing available for your children... having them vaccinated. Please stop. You didn't cause this in any way, directly or indirectly.
End of investigation; You're crazy as loon. You actually believe that whatever pops into your head about people you know virtually nothing about, is reality itself.
Read the government VAERS reports. Don't just listen to Gates and the giant pharmaceutical companies that stand to benefit. Research. Talk to people who had infants whose brains swelled after their vaccinations. Compare statistics. Gates has no medical degree and I would suggest that his main influences are those who stand to benefit. He may actually mean well, who knows, but he is not well informed.
As I have already stated on my post that you responded to.... People should have a choice whether to subject themselves and their children to questionable medical procedures. To force them on everyone is what police states do.
People who refuse vaccinations aren't just risking their own kids; they're endangering other children too. Or is that not a problem?
"First we got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."
Now, how exactly could vaccines be helpful in limiting population growth? One wonders just what sort of new vaccines would result in reduced population, if "we do a really great job" on them . . ?
People in developing countries have many children because they know what your great grandparents knew... many of those children are gonna die, or become permanently ill and be a drain on the family. If vaccines keep kids from dying, the next generation won't have so many. The USA went from double digit kids per family to fewer than two, in three generations. Those countries will do the same. THAT'S what that statement means.
Told you that you wouldn't like it.
"If vaccines keep kids from dying, the next generation won't have so many."
That "next generation" of reproducers must be significantly larger, for this magic to work. If it ain't significantly larger, the scheme has no chance of actually working like the plan. More people must live now, and THEN the next generation could theoretically be effected in that way . . Big healthy families must flourish, to convey the sense that having fewer children is desirable, because they will each be more likely to flourish . .
A rising standard of living, does not require a significant increase in actual human beings, to convey the sense that children are likely to flourish. The increased prosperity does (according to the theory). There is no big jump in population required, to "prime the pump" of reduced population growth, 'cause people understand automatically that wealth brings security. I don't need to see it do so, in my parent's generation, to be effected by this sense of security. In this supposed scheme of vaccinating folks into a sense of security about their children's future, there MUST be a significant jump in population, to convince the people that they need not feel insecure about the survival of their family.
Who will feed those extra surviving children? Will not the actual "standard of living" for each child drop, rather than rise, if a significant number more need to be fed, clothed, cared for and educated etc.? Won't that counteract any sense of security, if the theories about why the developed societies have reduced population growth, are correct?
What Ben Franklin said there, has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion. It is just tacked on, for no apparent reason but to look knowledgeable, and associate oneself with a famous person.That quote could be tacked on to anything at all, and the very notion that doing so renders one smart, is stupid, I say. Kid stuff, not worthy of a second glance.
John, in case you missed it, you're on the downrange end of that statement.
No medical evidence, you say? Well yeah, that's because the whole medical industry is in on the scam, Chuck! Of course it goes much further than that. It's not just medical science that's a scam, it's all science. It's all totally evil. All of it. And if you want proof, all you have to do is look back to how healthy humans were back at the dawn of history (you know, 6000 years ago) when people lived for centuries, in perfect health.
Millions of people dying from bubonic plague, polio, measles, etc.? Don't you believe it, Chuck. That's all just scare-tactic propaganda put out by the Marxist/Fascist/Tri-Lat/Bilderberg/CFR/NWO Shadow Elite Reptilian Footsoldiers of the Anti-Christ who are determined to wipe out the human race and then um, you know, whatever. We're DOOMED!
Aha! I KNEW it was them.
There are people who will read your reply and not get the satire.
I know. :( No matter how outrageous the sarcasm, there are people saying nearly the same things, and they mean it to be taken seriously. And there are even more people reading and listening and watching who are swallowing their nonsense hook, line and sinker, and taking it very seriously.
Don't tell me I need a new schtick (as one of your leading proponents already has). Why would I? Isn't the scientific fact that you're persuading mothers to kill their own children bad enough? Isn't the fact that you keep the Mooch's of this world weighed down with unnecessary guilt awful enough? Nah. I don't need a new schtick. You need to abandon yours.
NY Times report on African Measles Death Rate Drop between 2000 and 2006
Now, what I SHOULD HAVE SAID is that if you and your ilk kill our herd immunity (and in places you have), we'll go back to the "before" picture in that data.
But there is some good news, sort of. It's simply that we will have all the fetal and infant death and destruction, but modern sanitation will probably protect older children and adults to some degree. It's true that in a "First World" country, basic medicine and sanitation reduce the death from diseases like measles, whooping cough, diphtheria, mumps, etc. Unfortunately, they do it without lowering the ancillary damage one whit.
Kids who aren't vaccinated ARE dying by the tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands. But you're right, they're not doing it here... yet. You keep it up, though...
The same is true of all the other "childhood diseases."
Reality don't work like that, anymore than with the word 'drug'. That one drug is effective in some sense, does not automatically convey benefits on all things called drugs. Or the word 'science" render all things labeled science valid or useful. This is just a word game being played.
I think Chuck's point on population is spot on.
-- I did not have many vaccines because they did not exist when I was a child -- all I got was the polio vaccine at age 6 and a couple times later, smallpox once and DPT once
-- I had the measles (several varieties), chicken pox, shingles and mumps -- and I was not that sick
None of those results occur in all victims of all those diseases, but all those diseases kill and destroy... far more often than do the vaccines. And before you start, reactions to vaccines are seldom severe (mostly mild reactions to egg or horse serum), and despite the horror stories, never substantiated, attenuated vaccines do not give people full-blown flu or polio.
Finally, connecting two coincidental events into a cause and effect series is never a good idea. Usually it results in an inaccurate depiction of the real case.
They didn't have the vaccine for Chicken Pox when I was a child, and what people seem to either forget, or not understand is, once you HAVE a virus it NEVER EVER EVER goes away. It stays in your body for they rest of your life. It goes dormant, and usually, never has a reason to become active again, BUT there are some viruses, like Varcilla (AKA Chicken Pox) that not only can become active, but can take on many "faces". Faces like, EBV, Menengitis, Fibromyalgia, and Shingles.
Childhood illnesses are not as "innocent" as people have been lead to believe, or may even remember them being themselves. Nor do they effect each person in the same manner. One child may get only a few sores, while the next may have them in their lungs. And, they are MUCH worse in adults then in children.
Fifths Disease, AKA "Slap Cheek" is one of those. In children, it causes flulike symptoms and lehtargy, at worse, ending with a distinctive rash and a "slapcheek" look. In adults, it causes flulike symptoms, along with EXTREME arthritis like pain, muscle pain, weakness, numbness, nerve pain, and whole lot of other unpleasant things, that don't happen to kids. I know this from personal experience as well, because I caught that one in August of 09 from my then 2 (almost 3) year old son. I didn't even know adults could get it, because my older son had had it almost a decade before.
These "Childhood Illnesses" are NOTHING to be casually brushed off.
When my parents were kids in the 1920s and '30s kids died from a variety of ailments that we have immunizations for now. Know anyone who's had diptheria? Adults suffered horrible consequences from diseases like measles that are much less virulent in children. People still got smallpox back then, for gosh sake.
Pharmaceutical companies have made a few mistakes in vaccine production, e. g. the unfortunate batch of polio vaccine in the mid '50s. Nobody's had a problem from polio vaccine since. We don't ban cars because thousands of people die every year in car accidents. Immunization is way safer than car travel, taking baths, crossing the street, and a whole host of other activities people engage in every day.
"I have a history degree. Immunization through vaccines and other means is one of the most exciting developments in 20th century medicine, the other being drug therapy--e. g. antibiotics--that actually works."
And cannot be misused? We can just assume that anything and everything associated with the word 'vaccine' is automatically good and wholesome, forever and ever? No concern about corporate profits need be exercised, the word keeps them on the up and up? No reason to even wonder about it, the only uses of this concept possible, are all wonderful, at all times, and corporate profits could never induce any corporation to ever oversell their product? Can't happen?
Nothing like that has ever happened in history?
And, there's no possible chance that some hyper-wealthy/powerful folks that are not liking this "overpopulation" one little bit, and see it as a grave threat, would ever attempt anything in the slightest bit risky or shifty, with this technique? No chance at all that anyone in a position to do so, would covertly attempt to reduce population growth, in order to save the world and themselves from something they see as certain impending disaster for the whole world?
Nothing like that has ever happened in history?
Big puffy straw man. Most of the people who attack immunization seem to want to throw the baby out with the bath water. I would be curious to see some evidence that pharmaceutical companies are pushing needless immunizations--vaccination and otherwise--on a grand scale.
I never said doodely squat about "throwing out" vaccinations. Learn to read in the space/time continuum, not just your silly imagination, I suggest . .
It's just a word games to you, it appears, and you think that the word vaccination, renders all who have anything to do with them, angels . . You know DAMN WELL that people in "big corporations" have done wicked things, and the name of any, ain't the reason. Quit pretending the word is keeping things under control, automatically.
It does look like the tide is turning and people are starting to realize the cost of not doing the odds on best thing for your kids...you'd think it was a no brainer all along.
Keep posting Chuck, if you can change one persons mind with each post you're doing something! I'll continue to keep writing and sharing our stories and speaking to educate others :-)
The study appears to confirm the findings of British doctor Andrew Wakefield, who caused a storm in 1998 by suggesting a possible link.
Now a team from the Wake Forest University School of Medicine in North Carolina are examining 275 children with regressive autism and bowel disease - and of the 82 tested so far, 70 prove positive for the measles virus.
Last night the team's leader, Dr Stephen Walker, said: 'Of the handful of results we have in so far, all are vaccine strain and none are wild measles.
'This research proves that in the gastrointestinal tract of a number of children who have been diagnosed with regressive autism, there is evidence of measles virus. "
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388051/Scientists-fear-MMR-link-autism.html#ixzz1DszXoZqd
And with no research at ALL, I can tell you that the same strain of virus will be found in the bowels of MILLIONS of children.
It was the Mercury (Thimerosal) that caused irritable bowel disease, or was it celiac disease, or mebbe... well, never mind, it was the Mercury... which then caused autism. But they took that out, and now it's the measles vaccine itself, because SOME of the children who have both autism and whatever bowel disease have tested positive for measles virus in the gut. But not all of them, and not just ANY measles virus, it's VACCINE measles virus. So it's not the Mercury it's the virus (attenuated) in the vaccine. "Wild" full-strength measles virus is fine because it only kills children (and adults at an even HIGHER rate), but doesn't give them irritable bowels, which MAY be associated with autism (but not always, because I suffer from irritable bowel syndrome and severe diverticulitis... but I assure you I am NOT autistic).
So... it WAS the Mercury, but now it's not.
NOW it's measles virus, but only attenuated virus, and only in cases in which it, irritable bowel and autism show up in the same body.
And wild full strength measles virus is not associated with autism, only with dead children and adults by the tens of thousands.
By George, I think I've got it, and by "it," I mean this entire web of connections STILL looks like a New World Order conspiracy gone mental.
No one in a position of authority ever does anything that might jeopardize anyone . . it is not possible . . We used all that wicked spirit up in the past, and that's why we can see so much of it happened in the past . . History proves we;ve used up an awful lot of it, anyone can see that.
Obey, and know that you are wise, and kind-hearted.
Chucky Cheese.
No need for a war....let's make life better.
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