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Over the years interviewers have asked me if I’d ever caught strangers on a train (or anywhere) reading any one of my books – how romantic! -- and the answer has always been no… until this morning at Starbucks. I was just sitting there over my coffee and donut minding my own business and doing some writing but I could not help overhearing a thirty-something couple discussing – heatedly – “Indecent Proposal.â€
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They had their Ipads ready to what I gathered was the Kindle edition my novel…and they were obviously well-read and quite intellectual.
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I was not about to interrupt nor introduce myself as the author… what people think of my books is none of my business.
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When it comes to his own books, the author is the last to know what he’s written; it’s for the reader to decide.
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But it is quite an experience finding yourself under review. (I had the impression that she was a reviewer for some website or newspaper. If so, we’ll see what comes out.) Can’t help but eavesdrop when people are at the very next table and occasionally SHOUTING.
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The conversation between these two went like this:
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He: “But would you do it?â€
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She: “That’s not the point. We’re talking literature.â€
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He: “I thought we’re talking about the power of money versus love.â€
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She: “Not quite. We’re talking about the power of temptation, which the author himself says is even more powerful than sex. Sex is nothing, he says. Temptation is everything. It’s about how true we are to our own ethical standards and how, given the right circumstances, how easily we can be bought. It’s what makes the novel so timeless. This stuff goes on every day. Can anyone resist temptation?â€
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He: “I’d like to think I can. I think he’s dead wrong, your Engelhard.â€
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She: Oh, we’re all so virtuous? Have you been reading the headlines? That goes for politics, sports, entertainment, business, sex, you name it, we’ve all got a price, which happens to be a direct quote from the novel, that scene with the corrupt casino honcho. In that sense the novel is quite biblical. Did you read the book?â€
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He: “Yeah, I read the bible.â€
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She: “Indecent Proposal, silly.â€
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He: “I’m at the sex scene. I admit it’s powerful.â€
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She: “Maybe too powerful for you?â€
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He: “I do picture you in that scene and it makes me jealous. I think Engelhard takes too many liberties. I am not for sale. Are you?â€
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She: “Get your mind OFF SEX.â€
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He: “The author didn’t! Did YOU read it?â€
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She: “A dozen times and I got more out of it than sex. You missed the whole novel.â€
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He: “Sure beats the hell out of the movie.â€
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She: “So we agree on that. So we should also agree that the greatest novels ever written were about infidelity…like Tolstoy’s Anna Karenina and Flaubert’s Madame Bovary. I read someplace that Indecent Proposal ranks right alongside those two…the novel, of course, not the movie, which only touched the surface of the book. In fact, Indecent Proposal speaks more to our times than even those great novels.â€
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He: “Ridiculous. I liked the movie and if the movie was too shallow perhaps the novel was too deep, if you know what I’m talking about…â€
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She: “I have no idea what you’re talking about. ZERO. The novel is rich in so many levels and Hollywood washed all that out.â€
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He: So it’s a woman’s book.â€
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She: “No, it’s more a guy’s book. Dig into the fight scenes….and how these two guys are in a battle to the death over a woman. YOU surely can identify.â€
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[My my. What was THAT all about!]
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He: “Last night you said it compares to Gatsby, which everyone agrees IS the great American novel.â€
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She: “So is Indecent Proposal.â€
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He: “You must be kidding.â€
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She: “If you’d get your mind off sex you’d know what I’m talking about. We both read that NPR review which said the book is a gut-wrenching study on love and TRUST.â€
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He: “Are you comparing Engelhard to F. Scott Fitzgerald?â€
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She: “Yes, absolutely.â€
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He: “Sounds like you would do it…with the author. Go ahead. I heard he lives around here.â€
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She: “I hear he’s a recluse, if he’s still alive.â€
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Right about here I took this as my cue and left.
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There were moments, during the debate, when I wanted to jump in (“reveal†myself) but I am never as good as my books.
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Comments: 14
What others, the readers, do is read...and interpret....what the author has written; that's it, end of story, so to speak. Each reader will bring to the book his/her own interpretation, understanding about the book. Nevertheless, that also includes hangups, foibles, hates, discomforts, past experiences echoed in the book, sense of emotions derived from the reading.
The writer writes; he is not, therefore, responsible for any reader's nuances of passion due to past experiences. The writer writes, hoping the book 'says' something of value to the reader. He cannot interpret a hundred thousand potential opinions BEFORE he/she has put pen to paper. Readers who critcise vehemently an author's book should try the art of getting out a pen and scribbling for 18 months or two years for each book!
But as Jack said with some chagrin in this case, novels are meant to provoke thought, even though it's likely the last thing Jack would ever want to do would be to play the role of a purposeful attempt to break apart a true love.
The book seems to be meant to strengthen true love but break away false attachments, to ideas and needs as well as to false relationship connections.
Against this backgroun d comes the Proposal, and now there is the thousands of years of hatred which again Joan could not possibly understand as well as the dream come true quality of the prize that Josh cannot forgive. Is he taking out his anger at his failings on himself, or is he truly unable to take the best prize his life had offered back after ...what happened. If ever a novel gamely portrays all the obstructions to happiness a couple can encounter this book takes the prize.
Reading this contemplation here, including Jack's essay and these comments, including my own review and continued haunting thoughts about this book, especially apart from the movie... I keep coming back to the video being what the Arab was after, and the concept of which race of males Jewish or Arab, holds the most vital inherent traits which would capture a Gentile female, subdue her to being a reduction away from her soul, into a state of pure, spirit banished lust, which is the only state which would allow the perversion of a faithful woman by nature. The Arab thrust of achieving a sense of power and security seems to depend on this ability to conquer the female human in this way, thereby proving his value and worth as being above that of his male enemy.
There is a lot more to this, and it even works into the Gnostic Gospels which question whether incarnation of a spirit into physical form is inherently evil. I think this novel is even more divinely inspired than even Jack might have had flashes of wonderings.
I can't expand more on this here, now, because it's still formulating, but it all keys on the power of physical lust to pervert the spirit beyond redemption, a perversion which is possible only when a spirit is incarnated into a dense physical realm.
Yes, the power of Temptation.
It appears to me somehow that from this book, the Arab male blood, at least in this character, seeks to pervert spirit itself, through the dark power of lust, to prove it can conquer, enslave it, especially in battle with the Jewish paradigm, which does not seek to pervert or control, but to nurture and celebrate.
The powers that are attempting to control would not want this to be presented clearly, or even in artistic subtlty, thus the Arab/Jewish primal clash was removed with surgical precision from the movie.
Even the Lost Tribe issue might be playing in here... Just intuitive spiritual essence which this book and it's whole situation has surfaced, at least for me. This book runs VERY VERY DEEP.