Marine Brandon Raub of Richmond, VA, was taken by FBI and Secret Service and nobody knows why. Syndicated talk show host Josh Tolley conducted an interview with Brandon's distraught mother, Kathleen Thomas. She confirms that Brandon was questioned about his "terroristic" Facebook posts before he was hauled away.
Brandon's mother provided Tolley with details about Brandon's "patriotic" Facebook posts may have put the Marine (not on active duty, but has served in Iraq and Afghanistan) on the government radar. So what makes a Facebook post concerning enough to justify arrest? If one was calling for the bombing of white babies, for example, is that not as horrific as these posts?
Ms. Thomas said that she and her family are "strong patriots that believe in our country." She says that her family is "vocal" about their belief in the Constitution.
Does being "vocal" about displeasure with the government mean that one could justifiably be carted away? Whether one agrees or not with Raub, the story should be concerning.
Listen to the interview with Raub's mother here:
Watch the video of Brandon Raub's arrest.
This story is reminiscent of the NDAA bill, that President Obama has previously signed "with reservations." At the time, Obama stated, "I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens." However, amendments to that questionable provision were struck down in the Senate.
This story is one to watch.
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Comments: 195 ( 1 removed by Renee Nal )
Secondly, a quote from President Reagan says everything about any politiction,
"Do you know when a politician is lying? Whenever their lips are moving. "
...sorry but that comment really doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and it is really a leap in comparisons. There is no comparing us to them.
And, that our Values, our Laws, our Essence, our very Rights and Liberties, embodied in The Preamble, The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, were bestowed by...wait for it....GOD.
What you refuse to accept, jeanne, or even grasp, is that ALL are welcome here (who come Legally), regardless of Religion...if they choose to assimilate American Values...yes, to become AN AMERICAN. Not to create their own little idea of it.
The next time you are wont to ponder why Americans have deep dispute with Leftists...think again.
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So you think it is totally cool to call for bombing white babies?
As you continually show, party trumps race and in this case, party trumps "terroristic" threats.
Better delete that comment before someone (Me) reports your hate speech Kooky.
They probably looked into & contacted the FBI as he stated threats against people in federal positions. They responded to see if there was a credible threat. The local or state PD cannot control how laws are enforced in other places. Is it unfair? Yes, should people who call for killing children be arrested? Ye. But that has absolutely nothing to do with Brandon Raub.
And now there is no more Cookie!
I never said I was cool with it. In fact I said the opposite elsewhere on here. So nice strawman & red herring.
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How about the violence at so many of the Occupy sites?
How about the New Black Panther Party, who recently said that black people should kill white babies and suggested bombing nurseries?
Are you cool with the arrest of this man, Bill? Because it seems as though you are totally cool with it. I hope you recognize that your freedom to express discontent with the government are being chipped away.
Seems to me that if this guy is being targeted, we need to be asking why not those in the New Black Panthers Party or those Occupying Wall Street?
It is all about consistent standards, Nate, exactly.
Maybe try using your own judgement.
"How about the violence..."
What does that have to do with Brandon Raub making threats? THose that you cite should be held accountable. That doesn't mean authorities in VA should ignore this instance. He made threats directed at govt officials. That made it a matter for the FBI as well.
"Are you cool with the arrest of this man, Bill? Because it seems as though you are totally cool with it. I hope you recognize that your freedom to express discontent with the government are being chipped away."
Actually its not. We have never had the right to make threats. And he wasn't arrested. He was taken into custody for a psych eval. under Virginia law. They have 48 hours in which to time they have to perform the eval and get him before a judge, unless its a weekend or holiday.
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+37.2-814
"I've read the posts that you posted and don't see anything wrong with them."
Sure...saying he is leading a revolution that is starting now, sharpening axes and going to take some heads. Yeah...nothing wrong there.
"This guy, the NBP and OWS should all be targeted. This guys facebook statements SHOULD raise some red flags. So should the NBP statements and OWS statements."
Exactly...since they stopped someone before he did anything its a violation of their illinformed understanding of the 1st Am. But if he went out and actually shot someone we would hear rambling about MKUltra.
"The powers that be are scared of him Because he is speaking the truth about the global bank"
Yeah its not like you can't read identical inane rambling on Prison Planet.
"That is why he was arrested and hidden away "
I guess that's why they let him have visitors, and are taking him to a judge on Monday. But yeah let's just ignore all the fun blown crazy he posted.
'After visiting Brandon, he asked me to post this video. -Kati Wood' (Brandon Raub's FB page, 8/17/12)
http://www.facebook.com/brandon.raub?sk=wall
But yeah your delusional rambling is obviously well informed.
Sorry people, but someone who believes the same nonsense as you went off the deep end and publicly posted threats. Just because he believes the same kookery as you doesn't give him a pass. Deny it all you want but you don't have the right to
I beg your pardon, Bill Nada, but I posted a link to the Facebook posts above.
Bill, you wrote: "Sorry people, but someone who believes the same nonsense as you went off the deep end and publicly posted threats. Just because he believes the same kookery as you doesn't give him a pass. Deny it all you want but you don't have the right to"
Where's your outrage at the people that went off the deep end that believe the same nonsense you do?
Cookie, you wrote: "1) The NBPP-- all talk, little brain or any other actual activity."
As opposed to? What made you determine that this Raub guy is anymore dangerous than the NBPP?
Renee writes about Conservative topics, just because she's not following some imaginary Fairness Doctrine you think she should subscribe to doesn't make her a racist. Besides, aren't you tired of calling every, single person that disagrees with you a racist?
Like I said elsewhere, they should be held accountable too. But, that doesn't mean everyone else gets the right to act like a loon because other law enforcement agencies aren't doing their part. Sorry they did this guy a favor. They could have charged him with threats, but instead they decided to treat him as a mentally unstable person. If they had charged and he was found guilty, and given the evidence is all over facebook that would be highly likely, he would have had a serious record on his hands for the rest of his life.
Threats are not covered by free speech.
Margie you think then maybe it doesn't apply to you?
I would have thought that maybe Obama was threatened for the Secret Service/FBI to show up and haul him off like they did, but I don't really see that in any of the links? Need to keep an eye on this for updates to see what is up...
You probably don't see it anywhere because there is no evidence the secret service was involved. You may want to steer clear of believing internet rumor.
Of course...there is no way anyone could ever dissent from your precious beliefs. Nice dogma.
Or it could be one of the people who was expressing concern about his ramblings contacted the cops because they were worried he was going to do something like he said he was.
But yeah let's ignore that someone might actually report a person expressing a desire to do harm to others, and instead focus on a belief that some "entity"didn't like that this guy was saying the same nonsense you can find all over youtube, Prison Planet, and the internet in general.
I am sorry to inform you guys, but all you are doing is taking the fact that some guy who's a few sandwiches short of a picnic expressed his true desires to do harm to others publicly, and using that to make your delusions about a boogie man seem more legitimate.
Since he got caught you guys ramble about free speech, but if he didnt and he did do what he was saying', we would be hearing nonsense about MKUltra. Because apparently there are no more crazy people in this world.
Me thinks you presume too much...
Mr. Nada, how are his calls for a revolution any different than other calls for a revolution?
Are you really prepared to arrest this man, Jeanne?
And so what if he scares me? That means a lot to me if he scares me, Renee. I do not want to live in fear of some radical violent person shooting me down because I am a liberal democrat.
For every one who wants to go back to the good ol' days when the Constitution was written - for those who suggest that democrats do not love this country (which is ridiculous) - try living as people did back then. The guns back in those days were poor weapons of choice. Most people did not own one. There were no semis or automatics. What we have today differs entirely from what this country had two hundred years ago. The basic tenets of the Constitution need to be upheld, yes - liberty and equality. But what I see is people trying to move back to a time that never existed - a way of life that never existed.
In ALL cases of the many crimes, crime after crime...all of the rapes, the black bloc, the crapping in the street, the vandalism, all of the drugs, the stabbings, the throwing bottles and rocks at police officers? All of the many crimes were done by infiltrators, despite that fact that a poll done (by a group on the left) found that 13% said they would indulge in violence?
As far as the NBPP goes - I don't consider them representative of democrats omg. So Jeanne, the point was not that the NBPP were democrats. It is that they are inciting HATE - why do they roam free?
I do not want to live in fear of some radical violent person shooting me down because I am a liberal democrat. Seriously? Do you think this guy will kill people if he is out of prison?
And I'm not about to arrest anyone, Renee. Radical conservatives are too scary for me to mess with. Like who? Most acts of terror have been historically committed by leftists. Seriously, the media has really done it's job with you.
Family Research Council was aptly termed a "hate" group. How so?
As much as you want to paint me as a racist, I have challenged you numerous times to point to one racist comment I have ever made, in all of my posts, in all of my comments. And you cannot, of course. Just because you claim I am a racist, does not make me one. The only thing that you reject, is the fact that I am conservative.
Again, "As much as you want to paint me as a racist, I have challenged you numerous times to point to one racist comment I have ever made, in all of my posts, in all of my comments. And you cannot, of course. Just because you claim I am a racist, does not make me one. The only thing that you reject, is the fact that I am conservative."
Well Kooky,
That is true about every one!
But it is also a fact that just because you call her a bigot doesn't make her a bigot.
And by the words you post Kooky, no one could mistake you for anything but a bigot.
Lomos...laughable.
Can I ask why is it one never hears of a democrat suggesting taking up arms to "take back the country
Perhaps that's because Democrats have read George Orwell's "1984":
“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed
–if all records told the same tale–then the lie passed into
history and became truth. “Who controls the past,” ran the
Party slogan, “controls the future: who controls the present
controls the past.”…George Orwell, “1984″
Before you start throwing words like"bigot" about you should spend a couple of minutes in finding out what it actually means.
"Can I ask why is it one never hears of a democrat suggesting taking up arms to "take back the country" - even when Republicans are in power?"
...perhaps you forgot a bit of history...
The Black Panther Party, was an African-American revolutionary leftist organization active in the United States from 1966 until 1982. The organization's leaders espoused socialist and communist (largely Maoist) doctrines. In 1967 the Black Panther Party marched on the California State Capitol in Sacramento in protest of a selective ban on weapons. They were ALL armed and their weapons were loaded.
...and I think it's safe to say, they voted DEMOCRAT.
"Others infiltrated Occupy in order to make them seem bad."
...maybe, but I doubt it, there were plenty in videos calling for violence. Did you forget MAY DAY 2012?
That being said, at an OVERWHELMINGLY (totally) peaceful Tea Party rally some a-hole can show up with an even slightly racist sign, and the entire Tea Party will be labeled racist, bigoted and a terrorist group.
"As far as the NBPP goes - I don't consider them representative of democrats - it is crazy to put a bounty on someone."
...well, you would consider the Tea Party representative of the Republicans, yet the Tea Party consists of Republicans, Independents AND democrats.
I did not see or here a single democrat in leadership condemn the NBP for putting out that bounty. In fact you are the first democrat that I've heard say it was crazy and wasn't right.
AND, I do NOT own a gun or any weapons, and I never have.
...still hate'n :(
I haven't yet met a democrat who is a member of the Tea Party, but I'll take your word for it. I am aware they are made up of republicans and independents. Yet not all republicans are in agreement with the Tea Party to a full extent, therefore - not all republicans are members.
By the way - a bit of googling showed the Rev. Jesse Jackson condemned the bounty - here is the link I found: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rev-jesse-jackson-denounces-new-black-panther-bounty-on-george-zimmerman/
Interesting to also find out the ORIGINAL black panther party is denouncing their methods!
...thank you.
" Yet not all republicans are in agreement with the Tea Party to a full extent, therefore - not all republicans are members."
...I agree.
Jesse Jackson condemned the bounty?
...wonders never cease.
"...ORIGINAL black panther party is denouncing their methods!"
...good for them. I read where they had changed a lot of their racist views and had mellowed somewhat. That's always good to see.
"But then again - was their goal to "take back the country" or was it to have a share of the country?"
...I believe you are basically right, to have a share of the country. “We’re going to the Capitol. Mulford’s there, and they’re trying to pass a law against our guns, and we’re going to the Capitol steps." - Huey Newton
...I believe The Black Panthers were formed out of both anger for past injustices inflicted on blacks, but also because of the slow pace at which reform and legislation moved. I think it was blacks standing up and saying "We're not going to take it any more, we're going to take things into our own hands." (that's not an actual quote) I can understand the anger, and yes, the hate, but I wish the day would come when we could get past it.
I was very aware of it all back then. I am, among other things, an artist. I do photo realism drawings, they are ultra detailed drawings that look like a photo. My first pencil drawing was of H. Rap Brown (now Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin), and I still have the original photo that I drew it from, and the drawing of course. Then I drew other black leaders of the day, many were considered radicals, but I was very interested in what was happening. I did a linoleum print of Martin Luther King in jail, because for me that was an eye opener. I remember thinking "He's in jail for what?" ...and the print was appropriately done in, "Black & White". It was a bit of a statement from me, the contrasts. That was an important one for me. I still have the linoleum print block.
...oops, sorry I rambled on.
Funny, you'd think it was either that or "DJ"? What did he call himself before "entertainer"?
I hope we hear more about this so we can better understand all that happened.
"I'm starting the revolution"
"This is the part where I tell Generals... I am coming for you."
...I'm sure they will be asking him for the meaning of those statements.
No...there really doesn't. Everything that happens doesn't have to be some evil ploy. There are crazy people in this world and s**t happens.
By the way I never said there wasn't violent tendencies on either side.And if you want statistics - "red" states have higher rates of divorce than "blue" states. Republican presidents presided over increases in violent death rates 51 of their 59 years in office since 1900; democrat presidents presided over reductions in violent death rates 44 of their 48 years in office since that same year. (James Gilligan "Why Some Politicians Are More Dangerous Than Others" - book published August 2, 2011.) "Republican voters were far more likely than Democratic ones to see the use of violence as both an effective and an acceptable means of resolving social problems and conflicts" - pg. 126
Using time series analysis (along with a bunch of statistics) Gilligan has shown that when republicans preside, inequality goes up, feelings of shame increase, and violence begins to go up again. When Democrats leave office, the country is in better shape financially. When Republicans leave...it's - the opposite.
Right wing vs. left terrorism: http://homegrown.newamerica.net/overview_nonjihadists
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-07/opinion/opinion_bergen-terrorism-wisconsin_1_extremists-qaeda-white-supremacists
I could give you more, if you'd like.
As far as your statistics....I could find you many (including a recent report by Homeland Security) that cites terroristic acts considered to be "left wing" far surpassing violence on the right - and I think this report is actually skewed in favor of the left) If you compare Occupy crime vs. Tea Party (non) crime, I know you see the difference. Even if half or a quarter of the violence was perpetrated by "infiltrators", which I know you believe to be the case and I heartily disagree, but even if it were the case, Occupy had far more crime.
I have a strong feeling that James Gilligan is not a Republican...
What I read in the report you linked showed left wing terrorist attacks - the majority occurring in the 70's. And it was concentrated on the "hot spots" of terrorism, i.e., places and areas. Also, it agreed that these acts tend to correlate with socio-economic conditions. Along with immigration being a factor in lessening these crimes. Yet diversity often negatively impacts community relationships. What I find disturbing of this study is is also separates attacks by Ethno/National Separatists - and as many of us know - left leaning people are not ethno-national separatists. Instead, it's those who vote and support the right who are. And if you combine their attacks with the right wing ones, the total outnumbers the left wing. Left wing terrorism was almost entirely limited to the 1970's, once again - according to this report. Right wing was 70's and 90's.
And then there were the single issue attacks. They do not say who had the most "single issues" - but categories included here were abortion clinic bombings. The left doesn't do that. In the 2000's - more were from extreme right wing than left, and the most were from single issue.
But once again - this study was on "hot spots" - not political leanings regarding terrorism. And it wasn't on violent crime, either.
Also - START is a university based research center. It is based in the University of Maryland and they disseminate their findings not only to Homeland Security but to the general public and students as well ...they are supported by the Dept of Homeland Security but are not a branch of it. Their research uses non classified material. It's academic.
If you'd like to do some real, Empirical research, have a look at all of the FAILED and FAILING States, and who runs them; compare them to the solvent and functioning States...run by newly-elected Republicans and Tea Party Republicans. If you dare.
Duh.
And it does mean something to me that his picture shows him with a gun. A profile picture, that is. My cousins and their sons, too - in fact, the son of my cousin Doug - was in Iraq. Luke never posed for photos with his gun for his personal photos. His father and Uncles were all in Vietnam - same thing. And they were all on the front lines.
Sounds like you have a lot of boys in your family!
To know how your senator voted see vote breakdown below:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00213#position
I might wish to also add: Vote Obama In 2012.
How did your senator vote on the amendment? Or, didn't you bother to check?
Na Doc.,
I don't need to look. If it's about empowering the government my Democratic reps voted for it.
If you daughter or son got arrested for shoplifting should the world have the right to know?
We live at the moment in an age where whether we like it or not terrorist activity is more prevalent it might be home grown or from overseas and the Government be it in your country or mine has a duty to do what ever it can to protect us. Unfortunately sites like Facebook and Twitter are regularly trolled to try and pick up chatter. So I think the lesson here is for people to use these sites for what they are meant for and not post silly thoughts or ideas.
If you REALLY wish to educate yourselves about injustice in problematic law enforcement, then educate yourselves HERE & SEE Atwater v Lago Vista!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atwater_v._Lago_Vista
Please note how the USSC's 5-4 vote went down and stop you misguided partisan misrepresentation of what it ACTUALLY means to be a Liberal and a Conservative. Thanks for all your interest.
If you REALLY want to educate yourselves on ""wealthy" helpers," then educate yourselves HERE & SEE:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/campaign-finance/?tid=rr_mod
Please note President Obama's campaign financing's greatest amount comes from American voters with contributions of LESS than $200. Also note that is NOT so for RomRy's "wealthy" donors who will receive direct influence forom their BIG donnations... In case you are also ignorant on how the USSC vote went down on "Citizen 's United v Federal Election Commission," LOOK IT UP.
Dan E, talk about some misguided Republican partisanship! ...VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN IN NOVEMBER!
FIRST THEY CAME.........
for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Excellent post, Renee! WHEN will folks wise up and snap out of their little obama fairy tale land???
We all need to wake up, because this could be one of us in the future. The government has the power to take us, not book us, and then decide what they want to do with us. I doubt that he is the only one this has happened to, and I can guarantee he won't be the last.
Having family around in Nazi Germany, our country is becoming more and more like that, ever so slowly, so that it's not picked up by the masses. When the masses catch on, it will be too late.
Are you planning on making threats online? I don't.
"The government has the power to take us, not book us, and then decide what they want to do with us."
No they really can't. Try reading the laws sometime.
"Having family around in Nazi Germany, our country is becoming more and more like that, ever so slowly, so that it's not picked up by the masses. "
Sorry to inform you, but your relatives give you no basis to make BS claims. Hitler was out in front about what he wanted to do years before he was even in any sort of power. It's just no one of importance bothered to take Mein Kampf seriously. There is 0 comparison between the Reich and the US. Anyone who says so admits they know nothing about the subject. You could of course give us some specifics. Maybe you could give us a parallel of the Enabling Act. Be sure to find out what it was first, and no the Patriot Act is not a comparison.
No they really can't. Try reading the laws sometime.
Apparently you haven't bothered to actually read NDAA which Obama signed into law. maybe you should take your own advice and read the law!!!!!
Hitler was out in front about what he wanted to do years before he was even in any sort of power.
Just because Obama is more stealth about it doesn't mean he isn't going to do it. This guy is just one of many that will be rounded up if we don't demand a stop to this now! Obama must go!! SAY it loud.. OBAMA MUST GO! OBAMA MUST GO!
As long as the laws stay on the books, the same thing can happen in the future.
Have you noticed that the one shows up to follow a couple of libs around.. but only seems to follow the same two , who I am beginning are all 3 the same person and then only leaves a couple of insults as if he cant carry on a conversation...
Its a perfect example of why, they add no substance to any debate.... They need to learn some new words or take their debate in a new direction...
Thanks for calling this article to our attention and letting us know whay is going on in thei country..
...when I was a kid, my sister had a doll named "Chatty Cathy". Chatty Cathy spoke one of eleven phrases at random when the "chatty ring" protruding from its upper back was pulled. THAT is what the left sounds like. It doesn't matter what you tell them, documented evidence, the history, convictions, background, etc., they come back with the same canned responses, over and over. They are either ignorant, stupid, or liars.
I must say, I like you now. And, I'm learning a few things from you. When I label, it's more that I'm referring to the party leadership and who they are and what they stand for, then there are the "useful idiots" who simply parrot without a thought process behind it or any knowledge of where it comes from. With you, I'm actually seeing some thinking behind what you say. I still might not agree with your thinking, but you are thinking.
This will be my son's first election where he can vote. He is very excited about it, and has checked things out carefully. Too many young people today have a sense of apathy about voting. I'm glad to see some who don't.
I have also learned some things from - and about you - that I never would have known had we not begun to talk.
One of my sons gets to vote for the first time, too. It sucks though, all votes in Oregon are mail only.
I have wonderful memories of going into the voting booth with my dad and punching out the thingys (now known as 'chads', but I like 'thingys' better) with the little dohickey pokey thing : ) Oh, the fight we had when my VERY democrat dad wanted me to vote for Reagan-well, make HIM vote for Reagan. I finally did it, but I felt like I was a traitor to Amy Carter who shared my birthday and year. He had to convince me that he was simply trying to save Jimmy Carter's life since based on some formula, the next prez would have an assassination attempt on his life...freaked me out when Reagan got shot!!!
I remember my neighbor got arrested and he claimed it was over a domestic dispute. And he was partially right. His girlfriend called the cops because he hit her and that was one of the charges but the big charge and why he ended up going to prison was because he had several warrants out for drugs and armed robbery.
so to simply say he was taken by the FBI because of what he put on his FB page is probably inaccurate.
Now imagine this.
The guy that shot up the movie theatre...if the FBI had seen on his FB page that he was planning an attack and going to kill innocent people in a movie theatre and they would have detained him would you be outraged?
Now saying and doing are two different things however take the above case and say the FBI saw his FB page showing how he planned on killing people in a movie theatre and they had done nothing and the shootings had happened just as described and the 72 or so people were killed then people would be outraged at the lack of activity from the FBI.
I think law enforcement such as the FBI run a very thin line between public safety and allowing others to express themselves with violent rhetoric.
As for him being a marine wasnt Timothy McVey in the army? So assuming just because someone served their country so they wouldnt commit a heinous crime like the OK bombing would be incorrect.
...good point.
"I think law enforcement such as the FBI run a very thin line between public safety and allowing others to express themselves with violent rhetoric."
...another good point
...and it's a shame he's a marine.
"So assuming just because someone served their country so they wouldnt commit a heinous crime like the OK bombing would be incorrect."
...and yet another good point
...yes, I said that out loud.
Excellent point, Lori. It's weird how often people will try to use current or previous military service as some sort of defense (often not directly stated, but merely implied) when somebody's been accused of wrong-doing. To some extent it's part of a more-or-less mainstream culture of military worship, but it often gets taken to another level with far-right, /anti-government, pseudo-patriotic, teabagger types.
For some of them, the fact that he was a Marine and a "patriot" is evidence enough that he couldn't possibly have done anything wrong, and that this is just another example of how the government is evil and Obama Soros Alinsky here comes the rapture!
Many of them have gone down the same conspiracy theory rabbit hole this Raub guy seems to have jumped into, and in that alternate reality, Timothy McVeigh was a hero and a martyr.
Based on the screen caps Bill Nada provided, it looks like Raub did more than quote Beatles lyrics, or even rebellious, traitorous "Founding Father" types.
"This is the part where I tell Generals, training our young men to fight Americans, I am coming for you. The veterans will be with me."
"Your government is evil. It is as simple as that. And the cavalry is coming."
And then there's this one, which I just can't decide how to interpret:
"Do you know why the American people will win the civil war that is coming? Because we are Americans."
That he can't seem to grasp that in a civil war, the people he would be at war with would also be Americans might be an indication that he's not very bright, that he's mentally unbalanced, or that he just likes to say stupid stuff on Facebook.
"It would be concerning for anyone, but I do agree we need more information - and I will be following this."
Hopefully you'll be following it closely enough to not misreport minor details like the guy's name. According to Business Insider, both the Secret Service and the FBI have said that they're not the one's who detained him, and that the Chesterfield Police has confirmed that they took Raub into custody under the authority of Virginia state law.
The article also says that a mental health official issued a temporary detention order for him to be held for psychiatric evaluation, and that he has legal representation, and has had a hearing that resulted in an order he be held for psychiatric evaluation for a period of up to but not exceeding 30 days.
I'm no lawyer, but that looks a lot like due process to me.
It seems clear to me, based on the examples that you've given, that it does.
"My problem is with consistency, or lack thereof, of pulling this guy in to give him a psychiatric evaluation while people who call for bombing white nurseries are not being held under the same standards."
So you're calling for more detention and psychiatric investigation? And to achieve this increase in consistency and standardization between all the various jurisdictions, are you calling for more cooperation and coordination between states themselves, for more coordination from the federal authorities, or both?
Hopefully whoever decides that they're the ones who decide who has and hasn't been investigated and evaluated enough to meet a nationally-consistent standard will be able to provide some sort of factual evidence to back up their claims, and maybe even demonstrate enough competence to identify people by the correct name.
Oh well, as long as you were first (or second, after the radio guy), I guess it shouldn't matter whether what you reported was accurate or not.
The mother referred to "Brandon" several times during the interview. You thought that she was referring to her son by his surname only?
The second YouTube video you posted in your article included the correct name in its title. But apparently rather than find out which version was correct, you were more interested in being first than in being accurate.
And why wouldn't you? Nothing bad has ever happened because somebody posted something on the internet that wasn't true, right?
Gather at its best!
As for free speech, the First Amendment does not and has never protected calls for violent insurrection.
I've noticed that quite a few teabaggers seem fond of Jefferson's line about refreshing the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants, but maybe they're not familiar with Samuel Adams' comment that " in monarchies the crime of treason or rebellion may admit of being pardoned, or lightly punished, but the man who dares to rebel against the laws of a republic ought to suffer death."
I oppose the death penalty, so I don't agree with Mr. Adams. But I've noticed that a lot of teabaggers are very pro-death penalty, so they probably agree with him. But only, I suspect, when they're accusing people they don't like of being the traitors.
And yes these are the same people who mindlessly parade around quotes from the founders. If they actually read the works of the founders they would know that the Am. Rev. wasn't started by bunch of loons posting conspiracy theories. They were highly educated men who met over a period 2-3 of years debating whether or not to secede.
To avoid having to do that again, they put a clause (Article V) in the Constitution to have constitutional conventions to amend the Constitution instead of having the power totally in the hands of the federal govt.
For the Ct loons this doesn't matter because it doesn't help them live out their fantasy of being whatever Matrix character the like to identify with.
Same playbook, different time period.
"I've noticed that quite a few teabaggers seem fond of Jefferson's line about refreshing the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants, but maybe they're not familiar with Samuel Adams' comment that " in monarchies the crime of treason or rebellion may admit of being pardoned, or lightly punished, but the man who dares to rebel against the laws of a republic ought to suffer death."
You just described President Obama, as far as I'm concerned. He insisted on having the power to do anything at all to us, in total contradiction to our Constitutional Rights. He swore an oath to uphold and defend that Constitution, the highest law of this Republic, and he broke that oath. He has killed American citizens without due process, and it means nothing at all to me that some bozo finds that fine and dandy. Nothing.
"Indeed...the conspiracy loons, like all other areas of their lives, are ignoring the facts."
What facts are those, I wonder? I have looked vary carefully at a whole lot of facts, and there is no doubt in my mind that all sorts of "conspiracies" have and are taking place, involving the "highest" public servants we employ. It's nothing new, conspiracies in high places are utterly common throughout history, and the very idea that some sort of magic spell has rendered that impossible, is amazingly silly to me. Kid stuff.
We, as a people seem to not be in search of solutions, but in search of ways to allow one political party to be viewed as being superior, and that will result in only that illusive claim of superiority as being the only destination. All of the problems, the confusion, the lack of common sense, the lack of actual direction, and especially the division to remain in full force. The radical element of our government and our society is keeping us from even understanding the goals, much less to be able to reach those goals.
The radical element of our government and our society is keeping us from even understanding the goals, much less to be able to reach those goals. I agree here ;-) (sorry I missed this post before)...
Based on that comment, do you think a man that says this might have 'serious issues'? "I say, if they don’t get out of town, we kill the men, we kill the women, we kill the children, we kill the babies, we kill the blind, we kill the cripple, we kill the crazy, we kill the fa**ots, we kill the lesbians, I say *od dammit we kill them all."
I don't think anyone here is defending Raub (we're not sure what he did yet). I think a lot of us are wondering why his comments are dangerous enough to have him placed in custody, of sorts, yet Khalid Muhammad has made very clear threats against people and he is not being evaluated. Contrary to Bill's fantasy of how we all think and behave, "think because he harbored the same inane beliefs as they do that it must be the reason they took him." Most of us think this LOOKS, on the surface, unfair. Given the general direction of the administration right now, we do get suspicious and we do want some answers as to why Guy 1 is being evaluated and Guy 2 (or 3, 4, 5,) is not.
By the way, just for the record, I find your use of the term "Teabaggers" bigoted and bordering on hate-speech. Please stop using it in your posts.
... Q."Why Guy 1 is being evaluated and Guy 2 (or 3, 4, 5,) is not."
... A. "Guy 2 (or 3, 4, 5,)" are their guys