Murdered U.S. Diplomats Identified; Reports Claim Ambassador Was Raped in Benghazi Attack

I may be a bit naive but who or what would rape a man in a horrible situation like this? This is very scary and America needs to change its foreign policy agenda. Our interest as a global financial power should not be what motivates our agenda.

Good point John. We need to look at our agenda.

Animals would do it, John. Robert, I am trying to gauge if that is sarcasm?

Not sarcasm. We do need to look at our agenda. Why do you think these guys did this? Is it because they hate our freedom? Is it because many Americans think we are a Christian nation and not a Muslim one? Why exactly do you think they "hate" America?

Could it have to do with their perceptions (right or wrong) of what our policies are?

Robert, just which part are you justifying, the murders or the rapes?

;-)

Hi Renee,

What is "Mitt Romney's comments made in response to the U.S. Embassy in Egypt announcement condemning those who "hurt the religious feelings" of Muslims." all about?

What did Mitt Romney say?

"What is "Mitt Romney's comments made in response to the U.S. Embassy in Egypt announcement condemning those who "hurt the religious feelings" of Muslims." all about?"

I think it's about using the murders of four Americans as an opportunity to try to score a cheap political point.

And who would do that?

Joy,

I wrote about it here, if you are interested.

he said:

"I'm outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi. It's disgraceful that the Obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks."

Obama had a great opportunity there to ignore it and focus on the tragedy. Instead, he addressed Romney's statement before he even said anything about the Ambassador. Of course, nobody mentions that.

Johnson did. He's running for president.

Sitting at around 4%.

Sorry Jay - what did he do?

Honored the dead, front and center. Then suggested a pullout and end to aid.

Ah. nice.

The media has it all wrong. Obama was in the wrong and made this a campaign issue. Obama forgets that he's not just a candidate, he's the president.

Good point Marilyn. Too bad the Liberals can't see the truth about Obama.

And Mitt Romney forgets he's just a candidate and not the president....

Mitt Romney is entitled to his opinion. Obama is the one who made it a campaign issue, saying that he has learned not to shoot from the hip. Well, he has had on the job training for 4 years. You would think he would learn something by now.

These poor men didnt stand a chance... I could never understand what satisfaction someone would get by ganging up on someone... Anyone who murders someone who cannot defend themselves is a monster, a coward, the slime of this earth... Its like rioting... Its the same concept... Its like gangs or anyone else who gangs up on someone...
You have heard that old saying" A coward dies a 1000 deaths but a brave man, only once". The cowards who did this, would not be so big and bad if they were to go one on one with one of these ex Navy Seals that they murdered and then disrespected their bodies by dragging them through the streets...
When these terrorists stand before GOD, they are going to be surprised when they wont be so big and bad then... They will have to die by themselves .....

Thank you, Vickey. Very well said and I agree. They are cowards.

Anyone who murders someone who cannot defend themselves is a monster, a coward, the slime of this earth...

I agree vickey, and I would also add that any American who does not condemn the murdering scum at the first opportunity to do so like a few that we know have not done are also cowards and the slime of the earth.

Graham, you rock. Have I told you that lately?

Oh you have me blushing now Renee ;-)

I would also add that any American who does not condemn the murdering scum at the first opportunity to do so like a few that we know have not done are also cowards and the slime of the earth.


I LOVE those Graham Rants ;-) Your quote reminds me of these quotes:

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. - Thomas Jefferson

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

Not in such bad company, sir ;-)

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. - Thomas Jefferson"

There's a big problem with your quote, Renee.

"There's a big problem with your quote, Renee."

...and leave it to Wil to find it? A good/great quote that you needed to nitpick at in order to dismiss it. Do you really enjoy being a pain that much? Yes, you obviously do. The things you zero in on and devote your energy to for the sole purpose of being an irritation.

...so, what was that "BIG" problem? Who, other than YOU, really cares?

Thanks Renee and Grahmn...
Renee, I liked your quote...

Interesting. I got it at Brainyquote


How about the MLK, Jr. one, is that cool?

How about this one, from a Holocaust Survivor:

I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. -Elie Wiesel

Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Thought that bore repeating.

"Interesting. I got it at Brainyquote"

Yeah, well, apparently you and BrainyQuote and a lot of other people got it wrong. I thought you might want to know. But maybe, like your pal Nate, you don't really care if it's true or not.

The Holocaust survivor's quote is right on. We must always take sides. When the first protests erupted, Obama should have shown America's strength, not his own weakness.

Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.

That is why alcoholics and abusers live by a 'silence rule'. They hide their evil by keeping people quiet.

I like this one:

Yellow mother custard, dripping from a dead dog's eye.
Crabalocker fishwife, pornographic priestess,
Boy, you been a naughty girl you let your knickers down.
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen.
I am the walrus, goo goo g'joob.

But I wouldn't want to falsely attribute it to Thomas Jefferson.

I will agree with vickey about the cowardice actions of the people who did this to our ambassador and the other men. You are right - it's easy to be the "big man" when you are part of a gang like that. And yes, to do something like this in the name of "God" - well, they will be standing before that God one day. Who knows what He will do or say but it's hard to fathom that He would agree with their actions.

Well stated, Jeanne.

Political factions are in conflict all over the world, with many people involved in these struggles. When some zealots go over the top and commit a horrible crime, such as this, it should be viewed for what it is; some zealots committing a crime. It's not a reason to condemn all Muslims, and it's not a reason to drag out more high tech weaponry to pursue a few criminals.

"It's not a reason to condemn all Muslims..."

I've noticed there seems to be no shortage of that going on here at Gather.

"...and it's not a reason to drag out more high tech weaponry to pursue a few criminals."

And I'm sure there will be plenty of calls for that, too. Want to bet it's almost all done by Gather's "keyboard warriors" who will not be joining in any of the fighting they'll be demanding that others do for them?

Wil you have your demographics wrong its not the Gather members you should be looking at but the sons of the wealthy and politcally connected; these are the ones who will not be signing up for the fight. The ones on Gather do not believe in blind support as we seen in Viwetnam and Korea but would fight under the proper circumstances. Thanks

It's not a reason to condemn all Muslims Who is doing that, Robert?

I should have guessed.

I've noticed there seems to be no shortage of that going on here at Gather.

Who is doing that, Wil?

some zealots committing a crime.

2000 zealots, armed up to the point of rocket launcher deployment. On 9/11.

You really believe this is a job for the local sheriff?

I actually think America would be better off today if we let Vietnam and Korea fall to communist China eventually they would have become sophisticated as they are today in order to join in the world economy. And also we would not have a North Korea as we do today if the Chinese had any say back then. But this is just conjecture and who knows what could of happened It all falls back on our intent in foreign policy and affairs. The bible states anything built on sand (lies) will not stand and eventually fall apart.

Thanks for your comment, John.

some zealots committing a crime.

2000 zealots, armed up to the point of rocket launcher deployment. On 9/11.

Thank you, Jay - Diminishing, it is what they do. Unless it is a tea party - now THOSE are SCARY!

"...and it's not a reason to drag out more high tech weaponry to pursue a few criminals." Are you referring to Obama's ramped up drone program?

Remember wikileaks!!! What did they tell us about our political demeanor?

John, I'm sure that there are a lot of people here at Gather who would fight "under the proper circumstances. I know there are some who fought in Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, the War on Terror and numerous other conflicts, large and small. What I'm saying that is that I believe that many of the people here at Gather who will be demanding military action against this or that country, whether it's Egypt or Syria, Libya or Iran will be "keyboard warriors" who will not be involved in the combat they will be demanding that others engage in for them.

I agree that many of the wealthy and politically connected will (and have throughout history) will do the same thing, but it's unlikely that they're among the people here on Gather, who'll be doing the same thing, despite their lack of wealth and political connections.

R.F. and Wil. Who condemns all Muslims?

oops, Robert. LOL

What in Hell is the matter with you, Sparacio?

Nobody is telling me who condemns Muslims. I have asked the question three times now. Just like the faux charge of racism. Always allegations, never any PROOF.

"Always allegations, never any PROOF."

Hey, that sounds like your style, Renee.

Opinion Nate Ted "It's simply a sick 'religion' of a sick 'people'."

Kat H. "muslims are disgusting, filthy, vile, hateful, religious fanatics..."

MariAna B. "Their goal is to own the United States and make it one big Muslim nation. I do not believe like many others that there are "moderate" Muslims. If they call themselves moderate then they are not Muslims. A Muslim is a Muslim."

Big Mama "I say we nuke the vermin off the face of the earth. They deserve no better."

Howzat, Renee?

Hey, that sounds like your style, Renee. Yeah, do I do that?

Howzat, Renee? Not so good, frankly. Would have to see in context

"Howzat, Renee? Not so good, frankly. Would have to see in context."

Be sure and let me know when you've finished looking them up and seeing them in context and you're ready to continue the discussion.

I'm a little surprised that you're not already familiar with the comments, since most of them were made by your Gather "friends".

It is a shame that I can't just have a normal conversation with you.

.

;-) Smiley! I needed that one!

"It is a shame that I can't just have a normal conversation with you."

It's weird that calling me names and engaging in personal attacks hasn't worked out so far, huh?

sigh

Have you finished reading them in context yet?

*crickets*

lol, feel free to explain to me what you want - I already said I didn't like the comments. Do you expect me to go to each post and write a research paper on it? I don't generalize and I don't condone it. Would you like me to grovel? Would you like me to share some anti-Christian comments? Would you also disagree with those?

"I already said I didn't like the comments."

You did? Where? I must've missed it.

Not so good, frankly You even repeated it.

Ah. "Not so good, frankly" was meant to mean that you didn't like the comments? I thought it meant that you didn't like my "PROOF" because the quotes weren't presented in context.

Given the name-calling, the personal attacks, and the false accusations I've seen from you lately, I didn't recognize "not so good" as a statement of your disapproval.

sigh

"When some zealots go over the top and commit a horrible crime, such as this, it should be viewed for what it is; some zealots committing a crime. It's not a reason to condemn all Muslims"

Well, wouldn't it be nice if Christians received that same consideration. If some "zealot" even remotely connected to Christianity, even just one, goes off, ALL Christians are condemned. Now it's thousands of Muslims rioting and committing the most heinous of crimes, and we get a yawn and a ho-hum.

Yeah, I get your point Robert.

Well, wouldn't it be nice if Christians received that same consideration. Don't hold your breath.

Yep, we'd all be royal blue for sure, Renee..... ;) Sadly though, as the bible continues to be fulfilled, life here, until our blessed Hope, will continue to get worse and more tragic for true Christians.....

Practically purple! Well, that is a sobering thought, my friend.

Put your paranoia on the shelf and get serious. If one Christian commits a horrible act, does all of Christianity get condemned? When has that ever happened?

...every day, here on Gather, in the MSM. duh

Example, Nate? Should be easy to find if it's that prevalent.

oh, ok, i'm running off to do that little errand right now...

That is one BIG EMPTY box

Really Robert, if you're going to pretend as if you've yet to see it, I'm not playing along. If you want to single out some word in my comment as being wrong, I'm not playing along. In fact, I made my comment and I'm leaving it at that. I'm just tired of all the games from the left.

Games? What I see is "oh, ok, i'm running off to do that little errand right now..."

Are you telling me there's more in that big empty box?

Does anyone else see the big empty space?

"Example, Nate? Should be easy to find if it's that prevalent."

...from that point on, it was obviously over your head?

"That is one BIG EMPTY box" duh

Are you telling me there's more in that big empty box? duh

Does anyone else see the big empty space? duh

Yeah, like I was going to run off and fetch you an example of something you would have already seen. You weren't just born today, and neither was I.

"If one Christian commits a horrible act, does all of Christianity get condemned? When has that ever happened?"

Yeah, those games. Selective eyesight,

...hence, the space of silence.

Well, the thing is, Nate... We, no doubt, disagree on what constitutes "condemnation." If someone believes that the Constitution separates Church and State and doesn't want their tax dollars used in schools for organized prayer, or religious ceremonies, that's not condemnation. If someone doesn't want the a monument to the Ten Commandments on a public owned courthouse lawn, that's not condemnation.

Can anyone else who reads this even give an example of anytime all Christians have been condemned because of the act of one Christian?

Even when something happens like a Christian zealot shoots an abortion doctor, I don't hear anybody condemning all Christianity, but rather recognize that it's one crackpot guy who's a zealot.

Correct me if I'm wrong... unless you consider that an errand that you choose not to run.

Can anyone else who reads this even give an example of anytime all Christians have been condemned because of the act of one Christian?

How often have you heard about pedophile priests?

"I am so over the crazed religious zealots using fear to gain power."

here are some comments on JUST my posts:

Christians thrive on it [ridicule] because it validates the prophecy that they will be so in the end times.

I will admit to wanting to shut down churches...as I see a lot of them as evil spewers of hate, and teachers of over-zealous righteousness.

Yet it is the organized religious people (Right-wingers) who constantly promote and vote for the Right which is trying to do away with social programs and increase Imperialism (war mongering)

who do you think is now promoting the Anti-Muslim scare which is the precursor for war with Iran and who knows who else ???

UNLESS a black man becomes President of the United States. Then christians by the score are suddenly piously invoking "imprecatory prayer". Otherwise, praying for someone else's death is evil.

I don't think its God that's needed to be gotten rid of. Its Christians.

The fraudulently pious taking offense here forget we can clearly read more on the things they feel, think and believe in other discussions. But yes, I stand by my call to get rid of those of you who pretend to be the followers of a religion and then act and speak directly in discordance with its teachings.

What about the Christian genocide of the Indians?

Yes, it's a real shame that Chistians' intolerant beliefs aren't afforded more tolerance. No doubt the world would be a much better place if they were.

Yeah, I'm not up on all that Rapture stuff, but as I understand it, Zombie Jesus returns to rule the Earth from Jerusalem and kills all the Jews and other non-Christians who refuse to bow to his rule and worship him as a god. I don't think that's pro-Israel and it's definitely not pro-Jewish, but I agree with you that it's definitely "pro insanity."

Intolerance is believing people can't get married because of what a 2000 year old book says. A very hypocritical 2000 year old book.

Radical Christianity (actually, the Bible) "teaches" that no person has the right to exist unless they believe in the God professed by the Bible.

Their ideology also tells them that Christian "law should govern all matters of state and family and that Christianity is the SUPERIOR religion on earth."

Notice how Bachmann hasn't said "boo" about the Aurora shooting? It would be tantamount to admitting that she knows the word "terrorist" isn't a synonym for "Muslim".

"If someone believes that the Constitution separates Church and State and doesn't want their tax dollars used in schools for organized prayer, or religious ceremonies, that's not condemnation. If someone doesn't want the a monument to the Ten Commandments on a public owned courthouse lawn, that's not condemnation."

...hmmm, so you believe that Constitution separates Church and State, but that the government can bypass that separation and force the Church to go against it's beliefs and force the Church to pay for birth control and abortions?

"Even when something happens like a Christian zealot shoots an abortion doctor, I don't hear anybody condemning all Christianity, but rather recognize that it's one crackpot guy who's a zealot."

...then you are simply deaf and blind and I'm not trained to help you.

Thanks Renee. I haven't saved any of them and I wasn't going to waste my time digging for what I know I've seem a hundred times. Thanks for YOUR effort.

Robert, I have to agree with Opinion... When the Phelps or whatever those nuts names are that protest the soldiers funerals.... I have read many comments on here condemning christianity....
How many times has someone wrote on here, well christians have murdered all through History.
When an abortion clinic is bombed, they blame it on a conservative, a christian or a republican... Just like when Gabby was shot, right away, they tried blaming on the right... So yes, Christains are always being singled out...
Try again...

Rory M. Sep 14, 2012, 5:47pm EDT

For a lot of the history of Christianity here has been a lot of reason to fear Christians.

Just 45 mins ago.

My response was,

"Renee Nal Sep 14, 2012, 5:52pm EDT
Yeah, they are especially scary when they put up Nativity scenes."

Hitler (a lie).
McVeigh (another lie).
Nichols (another lie).

According to THE UK INDEPENDENT America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'
According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown", under which movement is severely restricted.

Thank you - I am looking into this one....

Our envoy in Libya was a marked man. The consulate should have had a large group of professionals protecting it. Eastern Libya supplied the largest number of jihadis fighting in Iraq, per capita. Saud Arabia supplied the most, but Libya was second.
Our State Department's incompetence. The attack was predictable and likely. Our C.I.A. transported 600 Libyan jihadis to Syria last year to pose as Syrian rebels, according to the Russians.

Our State Department's incompetence Bears repeating. Thank you, Clarke, they were even taking about that on MSNBC earlier.

The real fault is the lack of funding by Congress of the whole State Department, which has been so for many years. Our fine ambassador knew the danger, but our consulates are not well protected for lack of funds. The politicians spend money elsewhere.

um... you lost me there. You think that they knew there was danger and just could not afford security? Is that your position?

The US hasn't funded our State Department adequately for many years and we know the danger but Congress doesn't care. The same with US Foreign Aid . We spend less than 1% of the budget, much less than other countries. This aid could decrease the fear and hostility of others. This Congress is corrupt and owned by the military-industrial- complex . Our foreign policy and wars are directed toward making profits for multinationals and banks (as well moving industry, investment and jobs abroad for profits, which the taxpayers pay for receive no benefit from - our eronomy, education,health, standard of living and infrastructure have declined since the 70's as a result. ) This corruption and decline is just what Romney approves of continuing, as his record and statements show.

Op-Ed Columnist
Neocons Slither Back
By MAUREEN DOWD
Look who's pulling the strings of Marionette Mitt and Puppet Paul.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/16/opinion/sunday/dowd-neocons-slither-back.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120916&moc.semityn.www

Thanks, Clarke - I will take a look - although I must admit to being skeptical - I will try to keep an open mind. ;-)

Yeah. I checked it out. Not convinced. I think that Dowd's piece is her normal rant about the right.

"The US hasn't funded our State Department adequately for many years and we know the danger but Congress doesn't care." Do you have any sources on this, Clarke?

I am concerned that we have not had a budget for 3 years...

I am concerned that we have not had a budget for 3 years...

Why would they want a budget? So that their wasteful spending can be cut back? So their nefarious deeds can come to light? So their ignoring the Constitution will show in the light of day? So they can EARN the money that they have ALREADY been paid for making a budget?

What are you? Some kind of weirdo that really thinks Congress should get off their asses and do what they have ALREADY been paid to do? Get with the program. This is America the Dishonest. We can't have honesty and responsibility in this America.